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Συνεδρίαση 8 Ιουνίου 2007, Μαδρίτη

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Meeting of ACE work group on Cost Information Systems, WG-CIS

CSCAE offices, Madrid on Friday 8 june 2007

Present :

Apologies for absence:

Comments on previous minutes
There were none ;
Meeting in the morning at the invitation of the CSCAE
Thanks to the initiative of Carlos Hernandez Pezzi, president of the CSCAE and host to the meeting, presentations were made by members of the WG CIS to representatives of the regional Orders in Spain.
Alain Sagne represented Jean Francois Susini, president of ACE, who sent his apologies for not being able to attend the meeting.
Regional orders are responsible for CIS in Spain, they have received communications from competition authorities calling for change to the way architects bid for fees. The CSCAE organised the meeting to explain the different ways that CIS is being prepared across Europe in an attempt to find common ground and coordinate discussions in the regions.
Stephan Stouffs, Kimmo Liimatainen, Johannes Schmidt and Roger Shrimplin gave insight into the situation in their respective countries while Katarina Klepec commented a PPT presentation prepared by Joe Miller.
It became apparent from discussion that very little debate has been held in Spain on these issues and that policy in the regions has still to be set. The WG CIS offered to give assistance to the CSCAE should this be required.
Welcome to new members of the work group
The morning session was followed by a work group meeting in the afternoon. Sven Silcher, Roger Shrimplin and Antonio Riverso were welcomed to the group.
Sven Silcher will replace Wolfgang Haack who now sits on the ACE executive board.
Roger Shrimplin agrees to be a regular member of the WG CIS and hopes to be able to make contributions to work done so far starting with task WGCost 1.
Antonio Riverso attended the meeting to be informed of WG CIS activities with a view to designating a representative from Italy for the next meeting.
UIA professional practice commision
Sven Silcher reported on work in progress by the professional practice commission of the UIA who have formed a drafting panel, led by Sven, to produce a guidance document on fees in the light of WTO recommendations to encourage competition on price (rather than on quality). Reference was made to the UIA/ACE memorandum of understanding to engage in co-operation between the two organisations and the view was taken that Sven’s participation in both groups will guarantee smooth and continuous exchange on the issue of fee calculation.
Task WGCost-1, Follow up
The secretariat has issued the final document to member organisations, with a call for additional contributions. Alain Sagne agrees to track response and inform the group accordingly.
Task WGCost-2, 
The Work Group's Task 2 document, which is an assessment to “Evaluate whether it is possible to produce one or more harmonised systems», is under review by Joe Miller. Philippe Vermeren has produced a French version.
This discussion document has enabled the WG to progress with it’s work and can be seen to have served it’s purpose. Nevertheless, final versions will be sent to members of the executive board with an explanatory note and the document will remain on the web site data base as reference.
Task WGCost-3, Definition of future actions under task 4
After debate on objectives and detailed content, the draft programme of work was amended and added to with task attributions and target dates.
ACTIONS: as stated For: appraisal at next WG meeting

Other business

No additional items were raised.

Next meeting

14 September in Brussels from 10.30 to 16.30 at the ACE offices
(rue Paul Emile Jansen 29).

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